Paul Holman ([email protected])
Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:48:06 -0500
I responded to you personally rather than through Wire because there are
already enough bullshit conversations on Wire taking up unnecessary
bandwidth. Secondly, it is just a common courtesy to respond privately
to someone first if you happen to disagree with them.
No, What I am saying is that your standard for an alcoholic in America
and drinking to excess, is not necessarily the worlds standard to define
alcoholism.
Oh stupid me, I forgot that America is the world......... Sorry about that,
I'll try to
make sure that I know my place in future.
As for hitting too close to home, well, there you go again, making
statements about people, when the truth of the matter is that you don't
know
me, so you really have nothing to base your assumption on. Opinions are
like
arseholes, everyone's got one !
BTW, I have no desire or need to believe in Bono, I am a man of 37 years
of age and I
think it is far healthier to believe in one's self than any rock star. You
seem to think that I
am getting upset, when in fact I am just trying to tell you that your
opinion is not necessarily
correct, that's all.
Paul Holman
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Lori King wrote:
> I would have responded to you on the wire, but I appear to have been
> deleted from the list. I guess I hit too close to home. If you believe
> in free speech, post it so I can respond. If not, don't.
>
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> So what I am being told is that Bono is not an alcoholic because
> everyone in Ireland drinks to excess. Alcoholism is a disease of
> denial.
>
> The reality is that Bono does not look well. He has made many public
> appearances when he was way under the influence of something. All I am
> saying is that if he has to live up our image of him as some great moral
> authority - if the continued success of U2 depends on this image - then
> there is too much pressure on him to keep his problems secret. The only
> choice he has is to drink.
>
> I understand why you need to believe in Bono. But I do not think he can
> live up to the image. Human beings turn to God because we need to
> believe in something greater than ourselves - not to rock stars.
>
> I won't discuss this any more since I seem to upsetting you.
>
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>Paul Holman wrote:
>Lorrie,
>I don't know you personally, but by your post it is fairly
>obvious that you are American. According to most Americans, anyone that
>gets drunk more than twice a month is a regular alcoholic.
>Why don't you get the fact that most people from different countries: IE
>Ireland or the UK or other European Countries just to name a few, drink
more
>than Americans. That in itself does not mean they are alcoholics. It is
>a culture thing as much as anything else. I think that If you sent a
>letter to Bono about needing intervention for his supposed alcoholism he
>would:
>A) At first be very pissed off at you for even suggesting he was having
>a problem, seeing as you don't know him personally. That's extremely
>presumptious on your part I would say.
>B) He would probably laugh in your face, once he had got over the fact
>of being pissed off at your arrogance.
>The man enjoys having a drink with his friends once in a while, that
>does not equate to being an alcoholic.
>If you don't know the mans drinking habits personally, how can you judge
>him.
>Not to mention the fact that if he was having a problem , his wife and
>all his good friends and family would not just stand there idle letting
>him destroy himself.
>If you don't believe that : When Adam Clayton was drinking
>and partying too much during Zooropa, and missed the first night of the
>Sydney concert dates his bandmates gave him an ultimatum which was
>either he gave up the drink, or the band would split up. These guys have
>always been friends first and the band has always taken second place to
>their friendship.
>If all Europeans were judged on their drinking by American standards,
>then the whole of Europe are alcoholics needing intervention.
>This letter is not meant to flame you, just to hopefully help you
>realize that everyone does not live their life according to American
>standards and judgements.
>You need to become more open minded..............
>Thanks
>Paul Holman
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>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>From: "Lori King" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Alcoholism, I vote for intervention
>Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:42:02 PST
>I vote for sending Bono letters telling him that we would support him
>even if he admitted that he was an alcoholic and urging him to seek
>help. It may help if you are able to remind him of an event you
>remember when he was either drunk or high.
>I do not think anyone close to him has been able to help him because
>this problem has been extremely visible for at least 10 years. If those
>close to him could handle it, he would be in rehab by now.
>I guess the question is whether we would still be fans if we found out
>that he had made mistakes in his life and was not able to live up to his
>image. If we can accept him as human, he may be able to be honest
>about his problems.
>Sorry if you don't want to hear about this, but if everyone did not
>believe there was truth in it we would not be talking about it. Bono is
>a person in trouble - how do we respond?
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