Karine Maucourt ([email protected])
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:36 +0100 (MET)
As here in France we're very well informed about last latin american
dictatorships, and it's not propaganda, i think i can reply to this. And we
also have french bands/singers who felt involved in it.
Poptart wrote:
>Hi...
>Bono is always right... or is he?
>He says "Everything you know is wrong"... and I thinks that includes him too.
He seems not to understand at all what Bono was saying. IMHO, Bono
wanted to warn us about media and propaganda...
>What am I talking about? The arrest of Pinochet.
>I'm sick of the crap everyone is writing about him.
>Why? because they are all lies!, the stories people hear outside Chile seem
to >come out of a cheesy political drama. I lived in Chile for 20 years, I
recently >moved to Australia to study, and in here, I've realized how wrong
we all are.
And it's sure Amnesty reports are total lies, as everybody know it.
Are you kidding, baby ?
>They've told you that...Pinochet killed and tortured thousands of people.
>The truth is... Pinochet never ordered to kill anyone and there's no proof
>whatsoever of any of those stories about people dissappearing and being
>tortured by Pinochet.
Because Poptart is the only one to know the truth, of course and
certainly not all the women who marched on the May's place every thursday
during so many years. [insert all the sarcasms you want here]. BTW, we're
all going to know the truth soon if Pinochet is extradited to Spain ;-)
>Don't get me wrong, some people died,
Sure, just some people...Are you kidding again ?
>but
>that's because of the situation the country was in at that moment. The
>communists had to be taken out of the government and force was used, the
>communists fought back. In other words, a civil war.
>Bono tells Pinochet to ask for forgiveness and stuff like that. But let me
ask >you something, who is sorry about all the soldiers who died on that day?,
But death is an accepted risk for people who decided to be soldiers,
but it's not the case of civilians. Can you see the difference ?
the >communists were not innocent little white doves! they had terrorist
groups to >back them up!
>soldie
>rs are people too, they have families, they love, they are normal people
who >one day decided they had to dedicate their lives to defend their
country, a lot >of them died, but does anyone give a shit about them?, has
U2 ever done a song >about a soldier's f
>a
>mily or something like that?. I don't blame U2 for not knowing the truth...
>after all "the media is the antichrist"... and that's why people in other
>countries get all those twisted stories about a 'madman' who one day
decided he >had to take over a countr
>y..."?"
Please, don't put all the medias into the same bag (as we said in
french). Have you ever heard of an organization named "Reporters sans
frontieres" (translated, it means reporters without borders) ? Don't you
know there are journalists who don't lie (happily) ?
>Did you know that during the communist government you had to wait about 3
hours >just to be able to buy one piece of bread? and just one! you weren't
allowed to >have more!, money was useless, there was nothing you could buy.
Also, if you >had a large proper
>ty such as a big house or a farm, it was legal for people to go and take it
>from you! During those years my father was working on a storage company and
one >of the things he had to do as part of his job was to stand guard every
night to >prevent people from
>taking over the shop, and it wasn't just him, there were all the other
workers, >his boss and sometimes firemen who voluntarily helped people to
defend what was >theirs. That's where a lot of people died too, since those
events of taking >over a place weren'
>t pacific, there was usually a gun fight involved. It was an anarky and
>Pinochet had to do what nobody else dared to do.
Because you really think poor people of your last country really
take care of the political colour of the power who deprives them from food ?
And how can you prefer a right dictatorship to a communist dictatorship ?
They're all dictatorships. BTW, i have to teach you than Pinochet, who was
put on the head of Chile by US government/CIA... (from that time), took the
place of Salvatore Allende, who wanted to put a socialist democracy in Chile
and NOT AT ALL a communist dictatorship. And it's because the US government
hated every left parties than it prefered a right dictatorship than a left
democracy. Maybe you don't know how afraid was the US government of the
french government in 81 when our socialist party won the presidential
elections. They thought we were going to settle a sort of communist
dictatorship in France ! And it made laugh many french journalists, of course.
>I love U2. But I think Bono is wrong in talking about something he knows
>nothing about, but, as I said before, I don't blame him since what he knows
is >just the crap the media is giving him, things such as this which I read
on Wire >yesterday:
I'm happy to see you still love U2. It makes me think maybe you're
not a total idiot.
>"...Imposing authoritarian right-wing rule, Pinochet banned political
>parties and shut congress, implemented a curfew for more than a
>decade and persecuted known leftists."
>After reading that I had to write this letter...curfew?, banned political
>parties?, persecuted known leftists?...No way! none of those things
happened!, >Pinochet's dictatorship must be the only dictatorship where you
were free to >say whatever you wanted,
>think the way you wanted, also the country's economy improved so much that
it >raised Chile above the rest of the countries in South America... shame
it's not >like that anymore...
Sorry baby, but maybe you have to read again the definition of a
dictatorship in your dictionary. Saying a dictatorship let you free is a
total lie or a total joke.
>democracy came together with crime and corruption.
You really think there are no crime and corruption under dictatorship ?
It's obvious you don't know every event which happened in your last country.
Or you're really credulous.
>What happened in Chile on that year will always be understood by those who
were >there at the moment, and I think it should be forgotten, a lot of
people from >the two sides involved, died that year, but I think it's time
to forget the >past and work togethe
>r for a better future.
Because it happened some years ago, you think every crimes have to
be forgiven ? Do you really think the pain of the families can ever
disappear if justice is not done ? Don't you think it's too easy to say this
? Time isn't an excuse to erase crimes. And the best way to work together
for a best future is to punish crimes and to dispense justice, not to ask
people who have so much suffered to forget something which can't be forgotten.
Don't make me wrong. I know Pinochet still have supporters in Chile
and everywhere. As Isabel Allende said to us on our radio yesterday, it's a
prove of democracy to let these voices express their opinion.
PS : Thanks alot to Patty and Paul to also reply to this.
In the name of love
Karine
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